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For three phase electricity the wave is offset by 120 degrees(2\$\pi/3\$ Rad). Why aren't the phases closer together? Is it because it will affect the frequency of the phases? How was this 120 degrees chosen?

3 Phase Wave Form

Stephen Collings
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Dean
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    Not sure I know the official answer, so I'm just posting as comment instead. With three phases, 120 degree shift between any two phases is the natural way to do it, since 360/3=120. This makes it easier to work with, control etc. Theoretically, there is no reason you couldn't have any arbitrary relationship between the three phases. But there may be more to it than that... for example, maybe it is easier to construct a three phase AC generator to produce output waveforms 120 degrees apart... but I don't know for sure. – Adam P Apr 10 '11 at 23:54

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When there's 120° between phases the sum of the voltages at any time will be zero.

3-phase vector diagram

This means that with a balanced load no current flows in the return line (neutral).

3 current vectors added

Also, if each phase is 230V with respect to the neutral (star operation), then there will be 230V \$\times\$ \$\sqrt{3}\$ = 400V between any two phases (triangle or delta operation), and they're also equally spaced, i.e. at 120° angles.

(images from http://www.electrician2.com/electa1/electa3htm.htm)

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    This is certainly why the three-phase system as it is currently designed is nice. I think the original reason behind why it is as it is is that it's easiest to wind a motor with the output phases equally spaced. – Connor Wolf May 22 '12 at 06:39
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    @Fake - Equally spaced is the evident way to keep it mechanically balanced. But you also need it that way to have the voltages equal, so that the net current is zero in a balanced load. – stevenvh May 22 '12 at 06:44
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Being 120 degrees apart makes the phases balanced such that power transfer at any instant is a constant. If you had phases 'closer together' as you suggest, there wouldn't be any real advantage over single phase power.

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    of course, if you have a system with at least two unique phases, you can derive balanced 3-phase from it (using suitable transformers) and thus put constant power into a load, but the resulting transmission line currents will be asymmetric; with unequal phase angles you'd either have to (1) live with time-varying instantaneous power, (2) under-utilize some of the transmission line conductors, or (3) have differently sized conductors. Equally spaced phase angles give the optimum solution w/regard to conductor sizing-vs-utilization. – JustJeff Apr 11 '11 at 01:31
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    the short answer - because three evenly spaced phases are simpler to work with (motors/generators don't have to deal with asymmetry) and more economically feasible (all 3 conductors can be spec'd the same) than any other system of three phases. – JustJeff Apr 11 '11 at 11:15
  • This is the correct answer. – Jason S Jun 10 '11 at 12:28
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In principle, any power generator has a rotor with magents and coil on the periphery, one rotation of rotor is one cycle of 360 degrees.

Suppose the generator has one magnet and one coil,then as the magnet/rotor rotates one turn,the voltage generated in the coil gradually rises and reaches peak(max) when the coil comes closest to the magnet and reduces gradually as the magnet moves away.

Suppose we connect the bulb then the flicker rate is clearly visble. This is called 360 deg, single phase AC.

Now, suppose the generator has two magnets and two coils placed equidistantly, then the flicker rate is increased, it is 2-phase , 360/2=180 degrees AC.

Say generator has 3 magnets and 3 coils placed equidistantly, then the flicker rate is much increased; it is 3 phase with 360/3=120 degrees AC.

if we have 4 magnets and 4 coils placed equidistantly then the flicker rate is much more increased (not visible), then it is 4-phase with 360/4=90 degrees, 4-phase AC.

In practice, 3-phase is much more suitable for design.

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By separating the phases by 120° one keeps the voltage peaks (for instance) evenly spaced. For example, 60 Hz has peaks every 16.66 msec, so phase A, B, C peaks would come one third of that time apart, in this pattern: A-5.55ms-B-5.55ms-C-5.55ms-A. If one separated phases A & C from B by, say 100° then phases C and A would be separated by 160°, and the pattern of peaks would be A-4.63ms-B-4.63ms-C-7.40ms-A.

Such a stuttering set of phases (with, say, 100°, 100°, 160° separation) would entail many inefficient, unnecessary consequences, not least of which would be designing an AC motor which could effectively use the staggering impulses of such syncopated voltage peaks.

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Most of the electric energy is made by AC generators.

2/3 of electric energy is used by AC electric motors (electric energy in - mechanical energy out), they are built very similar to the electric generators (mechanical energy in - electric energy out).

In order to create a rotation in AC electric motors you need to have equally spaced windings in the stator fed by equally spaced magnetic fields; equally spaced magnetic fields are created by equally spaced currents (this answers your question of the 120 degrees for the 3 phase system).

The reason of using 3 phases instead of 2, 6 or 12 it's because it's the most efficient system (having 2 would mean more power losses during transmission, having 6 phases would mean to transport the energy with 6 wires instead of 3).

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  • this and the other one like it are the answer. it comes from physical spacing in the generator. not complicated. – old_timer Mar 14 '16 at 00:00
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Also keep in mind that the phase to phase voltage would drop tremendously with more phases. You would only be able to use it phase to ground if you added more phases. With a regular wye transformer, we can still have equipment be on 208 volts and 240 single phase. Add more phases it would be a lot more harder to add 3 phase equipment or more.

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  • For example, with 90 degrees with a 4 phase system, on a why transformer, 120v to ground, you would get 180v phase to phase. Would have to use it just for single phase circuits since phase to phase would no longer be as efficient. – Vladimir Gusar Mar 20 '18 at 15:52